Gregg

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  1. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    I'm looking for information about James Gregg. His father was David Gregg and his brothers Jonathan and Hugh. James was my great grandfather. He married Agnes Stewart in Lisburn.
     
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  2. Elwyn

    Elwyn Member

    Can you give us some approximate dates?
     
  3. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    James Gregg married Agnes McFarlane (Stewart) in 1882. We believe there was a family estrangement. I have a letter from Jonathan Gregg, dated Oct. 14th 1889, telling James of the death of his 3 year old daughter Maggie. James was in Canada at this time. Maggie was buried 'on her mother's breast' in Dunmurray Cemetery on Sunday October the 6th.
     
  4. Elwyn

    Elwyn Member

    I can see the parents marriage registered in Lisburn 5.1.1882. Likewise Margaret Gregg’s death on 4.10.1889, aged 3. You can view the original certificates on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:


    https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk


    You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.
     
  5. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    Thank you for this information. I am from Canada and am most reluctant to enter my credit information from this distance. It appears 15 pounds is the cost for viewing one certificate.
     
  6. Elwyn

    Elwyn Member

    The cost for viewing a certificate is £2.50. £15 is the fee for ordering a paper version. Use the “search registrations” option to view it, not “order a cert”. There’s no way round the credit card aspect. I have to say I have given that site my credit card details many times without any difficulty.


    Having said that I have just realised you can view the marriage certificate free on this site:


    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/


    The death certificate is not viewable though. You still need to pay to see it.
     
  7. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    Thank you for this. The marriage record tells me David Gregg was definitely James father. It tells me David was a farmer, but not present as a witness to the marriage. Agnes, my great grandmother was illiterate and a minor. And her father James McFarlane was deceased. All new information so I am grateful. Now if I could solve the puzzle of James brother's Hugh and Jonathan, sons of a David and Margaret Gregg, but no listing of a James. I make the assumption the David in each case is the same. In Maggie's death record, David is noted as grandfather, present at death. If there was an estrangement, one would think records would still exist.
     
  8. Elwyn

    Elwyn Member

    You say that David Gregg, the grandfather was the informant at Maggie’s death in 1889. His townland (address) should be given on the death certificate (“Signature, qualification and residence of the informant”). What does it say, as that may help locate the family home?
     
  9. Elwyn

    Elwyn Member

    Further to my last message, I did a bit of digging.

    David Gregg married Margaret Anderson on 27.6. 1855. Registered in Lisburn. (You’ll need to pay to view that cert as that year is not on-line free yet).

    Jonathan was born in Pollglass 25.12.1865. David was a labourer at that point.

    Hugh was born 8.12.1873 at Drumbo. David still a labourer. I think this is your family, in the townland of Drumbo in 1901:


    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Drumbo/Drumbo/1239011/

    Same family in 1911. Note that David & Margaret had 8 children, only 2 of whom were still alive in 1911:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Drumbo/Drumbo/248184/

    Jonathan Gregg died 29.9.1899 aged 33, of meningitis at 76 York Rd, Belfast. He was married and his wife was Jeannie McGougan. They married 20.9.1893 at Belfast Register Office. Jeannie appears to have been Brethren, and so they normally marry in a Registry Office. She was born in Scotland. Her father was Malcolm Gregg, a builder.

    Here’s Jeanie and their 2 children in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward__Belfast/York_Road/933279

    Margaret was born 23.6.1894 Belfast and Malcolm 22.11.1896.

    I can’t find Jeannie in the 1911 census for Ireland. However Malcolm & Margaret appear to be in Rutherglen, (a suburb of Glasgow) then (census ref 654/35/13). So probably Jeannie took her children home to Scotland. You can view the 1911 census on-line on the Scotlandspeople site. You’ll need to register and it’s about £1.80 to view the census entry.

    https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records


    I noticed this family of McGougans, also from Scotland, in the 1901 Irish census. There’s a Malcolm in it too. I suspect there might be some connection with Jeannie, but haven’t investigated. (The big shipyards like Harland & Wolff had yards in Belfast, Liverpool & Clydeside and they moved skilled craftsmen around, as required. So, for example, when the Titanic was being built in the mid 1900s, they sent skilled men from Liverpool and Glasgow to Belfast to assist. So you get lots of Scots and English showing up in the docks area in the censuses).

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Park_Avenue/1222572/

    Elwyn
     
  10. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    Yes you did a lot of digging. Wow!
    At the time of Maggie's death the registration was the district of Ballylesson, Union of Lisburn. David Gregg, grandfather was from Ballymagarrick.
     
  11. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    I tried to upload a copy of the letter I have, but it is too large. In essence, this is what it says,
    Dear James,
    I have again to lift my pen to write you sad news, but I hope you will be strong and bear up bravely. Dear little Maggie whom we all so fondly loved and who was just a bright spot on a dark and troubled way so to speak, has bid adieu to all below and found a happier home above. It pleased God to call her to Himself October 4th, Friday evening and we buried her remains in her mother's grave in Dun Murray on Sunday, th October. So her remains are at rest on her mother's breast and her spirit is in heaven. And all of little Maggie that remains on earth is a little of her sunny curls a lock of which I enclose to you thinking perhaps you would like to keep it. I remains your loving brother still. Jonathan Gregg. He added 'Hoping'. It is written from 47 Spencer Street, 14th Oct, 1889 on paper that was Belfast ....... Football Club, scratched out.
     
  12. Elwyn

    Elwyn Member

    The Valuation revision records for Ballynagarrick show David Gregg on plot 32 there. He rented the property in 1880 and remained there till 1897 (to move to Drumbo I presume). Plot 32 consisted of a farmhouse and just over 9 acres of land.


    https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni
     
  13. Lynn Wyvill

    Lynn Wyvill New Member

    Thank you for this information, I am grateful. Is there any chance you would understand which Cemetery would be considered the DunMurray Cemetery in 1889? We are visiting Ireland from Canada this September. I would like to see my greatgrandmother's grave.
     

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